Turtles All The Way Down: Science Myth Book

VSRD LIVE: Steve Kirsch, Zoey O'Toole, Mary Holland and Louisa Clary

Oct 21, 2022

Most people have trusted the ACIP Committee with vaccine decision-making.

The low level of COVID risk for our children, and seeing a recommendation at 15-0 means that people will see what the child vaccine recommendation is like - that transparency is good.Zoey O’Toole:

“It is sad, and it is hard for me to get very down about it.”

Steve quoted the recent numbers in one study showing only 3 in 1 million children having some benefit.

I don’t know how you can go from injuring 30% to saving 1 in 3 million; it’s just unbelievable.”

Steve Kirsch says to those who wrote Turtles All The Way Down. Almost every sentence cannot be attacked. It is so cleverly done. It is down to earth. Anyone can read this book. I cannot say enough about htis book. Get this book.

Steve said he heard the authors put in 5 years of their lives in to this book. Even if you don’t like Amazon, try to buy it there.

TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN: SCIENCE AND MYTH

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In this book, they started with “shoddy science” then build the next vaccine on top of that, then did the same thing with each subsequent shot. That is his interpretation.

There is no proof of safety. There is nothing there.

Steve continues to say that there’s never been a placebo-controlled trial because this way, they don’t develop any safety signals. In 2009, when Gardasil was introduced and approved, immediately there were reports about its safety. Two years later, the CDC finally did an investigation, looked at the data, and found it had 3X as many adverse events than all other vaccines combined. To which the CDC wrote that is was not a problem.

In short, the COVID shot makes the HPV vaccine look safe!

Mary Holland: The HPV events showed people were losing their balance, cardiac deaths, very similarly to COVID vaccines.

Steve said the CDC wrote it off by saying more people were just writing the reports on VAERS, but the incidence did not actually increase, which made no sense.

Steve looked at the HPV vaccine and when it was discovered it was unsafe… 10 yeaers later, it’s still on the market, kids still get it, and people think it is safe.

Mary Holland: There will be a federal, multi-discrict lawsuit showing there is no benefit, many side effects. To be held in North Carolina, 2023, thousands of deaths, many more injuries. I co-authored a book about it: what the drug industry is able to get away with… it’s unfathomable.

Steve asks Zoey: On this Turtle book, the authors remain anonymous. Can you tell us how many authors there are, and what are their qualifications? Are they doctors or scientists?

Zoey O’Toole: We don’t know who they are, how many there are. We interact with one, who speaks good English. We don’t know what he does for a profession, we don’t know his name. He knows his stuff.

Steve: I was super impressed with this book. What would happen to them in Israel, if it became known who wrote this book?

Zoey: I think it’s hard to know. They had most of the country vaccinated like that (Snaps her fingers)… when it is like this, there is a good chance that reprisals are very possible. .. any scientists who come out and say untoward things about the vaccines.. career over. Even the world expert on aluminum, on autoimmune disease, and immediately Science magazine did an adverse review on him.

Steve: May 25, 2021 his Wikipedia got edited, he was known as a “Superspreader” of “Misinformation”. Laughing, he said it is a feather in his cap. He sometimes is outranked by Dr. Mercola, his MIT friend. Fortunately, Steve said that it is good that he is not a doctor.

The authors don’t want to have their careers destroyed.
They don’t want to be attacked.

Zoey: When you have an argument that is unassailable, the only recourse is to attack. The authors wanted people to talk about the science, to talk about these arguments, bring up discussions with their doctors and families.

Steve: I have not been able to get any doctors to read this book. He gave a pro-nuclear friend an electronic copy, and thought he is totally science-based and asked if he could read 20 minutes into the book. He called Steve back and said he wasn’t going to read it because it was an anti-vax book. Maybe next time, Steve said, he could pay someone $100 to read the book and then ask them questions (toward the end of the book) to see if they really read it. Maybe then they’ll be red-pilled.

Mary Holland: Pointed out that in the beginning of the book, it recommends that people read it when they are ready.

Steve: It’s like Dr. Malhatra: if we had approached him before his dad died, maybe he would not have listened.

Zoey: It shouldn’t have to come to that, for people to lose a family member.

Mary: It’s hard to imagine the huge change in one’s perspective in the world if you’ve been a big promoter of this paradigm.

Steve: Is there a reward for any errors having a $1,000 reward? It should have been $10,000 or more…

Zoey: A PhD who read the book asked if anyone could refute the book. He put an online challenge to donate if one can prove the first chapter is wrong. No one came close.

Steve: The first chapter is a killer chapter. Folks, you don’t have to read the whole thing. Even the last chapter is so interesting. Chapter 3 is on the VAERS system, and is my favorite chapter. What is your favorite chapter?

Mary: Chapter 11. The book starts gently, what we say, what parents say. Chapter 11 is the Vaccine Hoax that leaves me iwth tears in my eyes, a life-and-death issue. Nothing is more important. They will not stop at nothing until they are stopped. It is too large an issues. These people know what they are doing: killing children all over the world, without a shred of remorse.

Zoey: My favorite chapter is the one where they go through 5 different studies in detail, how they were marketed, how mainstream media reported supposed quotes that never happened, then reviewed methodoliogical flaws. I loved watching how they did that.

Steve: This book was written originally in Hebrew, then you both got a copy of it, and turned it into an English version. How did that come about? How did it go from the obscure in Hebrew to get translated into English?

Mary: Was invited in 2019 with an audience of 1000 people, to talk about her book. There was a vaccine safety group, and she met one of the authors and there was a QR code on the back of the blue paperback book. There were 1000 references, JAMA, CDC many reputable references. I called a person with a “darkened video” and she expressed she wanted to know the first chapter in English. They were reluctant, did the first English version themselves, then reached out to Zoey, who took it to the finish line. It is a great book.

Steve: Thank you, both of you. Why is this book different than any other vaccine book on the market? To me, it is because it is so readable and so well references. Stull that ‘s out there would either be too technical or for laymen with no ‘oomph’. This has lots of references but is easy for anyone without experience to understand.

Zoey: Exactly. It is intended for people to grasp, especially if they are new to the subject.

Mary: It is well written and I credit Zoey for editing it on studies never done, many major topics that together Zoey and I have been doing for many years together.

Steve: Meryl Nass is quoted on the book, reviewing it. I noticed Bill Gates is not on it. We need to have an autographed copy and send it to Bill, thanking him for all his work on vaccines. Maybe on the next printing, Bill, we could add your quote.

Have you asked the CDC, WHO, on their thinking on this book?

Zoey: I think they don’t want any one to know about it.

Mary: Just like Bobby’s book, I think they don’t want people to know about it. But now that it is in English, maybe we will get more publicity.

Steve: What are other points everyone should know about this book?

Mary: It makes a point of the many studies that were never done: vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Do you really think they wouldn’t be debating us? If people were really healthier if they got the vax? The reason they have to censor us is because they don’t have the science, they don’t have the argument.

Zoey: Maybe some of the myths: vaccines saves us from many infectious diseases over time, we don’t drop excrements from the streets, irrigation and sanitation are all better. Why do we still have the impression that it was all due to vaccines?

Mary: The myths of the polio vaccine are laid out in this book, that the polio vaccine saved the world is absolutely put to shame. It was never the polio vaccine alone, it was other things like getting rid of DDT, etc.

Steve: Fluoride has something to do with this as well. The tooth decay went down because of it? No in Europe, their tooth decay went down, too, without fluoride in the water. At the FLCCC Conference, I met Paul Thomas in person, who wrote the essential writings that the more you vaccinate kids, the more they have to go to the doctor. They attacked him after this, as they have done with others.

AUDIENCE QUESTIONS

A Facebook page posts so many unharmed, vaccinated people. I’m thinking of getting boosted. A: Zoey: Some people can smoke for years and not get cancer. Dr. Malone showed batch to batch products showed great differences between side effects. Steve: Depending on their injury, they may hide an injury, want to be private about an injury. My carpet cleaner says he is in excruitiating pain when he is awake. And his wife suffered severe side effects from the vaccine. He may not have told me if I didn’t ask him and/or they may not realize their injury came from a vaccine. Some side effects are broad and vague, and your doctor is going to tell you that it is not the vaccine, it’s “safe and effective”, and it is not the vaccine. Then their patient will not “blame” the vaccine for their symptoms. In one study, 100 people at his wedding over 8 months, prospectively found that 27/100 vaccinated were injured; 8 died. In the unvaccinated group, there were 0 injuries and 0 deaths.
When I went on Amazon to order the book, I saw 2 authors. How can this be? A: Mary: Zoey and I are co-editors but we are not the authors. The authors are anonymous and do not want to deal with any harsh blowback from scientists. Zoey: there was also a fraudulent book on Amazon, with an author’s name and it was taken down. Steve: Don’t confuse it with the John Green novel, not the same book. It’s Turtles All the Way Down: ___ and Myth. If someone dies within one year after a shot, you should assume it was the shot, unless it was proven otherwise. This is from Dr. McCullough, Dr. Asim Mahatra.
How can we fight if the mRNA shots are mandated in schools and sports? A: Mary: Self-protection, pull kids out of school, home school, move to another state and some states may mandate it. We have a challenge against the FDA for the authorization. New York City dropped its requirement for athletes to have the mRNA shots - and its having no effect on transmission is a clearly a recommendation that needs to be pushed back. We do have elections coming up on November 8, and we can send a signal that this is intolerable. Zoey: It is important to know if you state has religious exemptions, all have medical exemptions, and know what is applicable to your state. Louisa Clary: Children’s Health Defense has links for voter interests.

This ia my complete report. It was completed at 5:27 pm PST.

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