Being an Occam's Razor kind of guy, "The Telegraph" story comes the closes to explaining why the pilots deliberately flew a damaged plane to an airport 45 minutes away and outside an active war zone.
The subject both the London-based Telegraph and the Ukrainian PR post ignored, is whether a Ukrainian drone on course to blow something up on the ground at Groznyy, accidentally rammed the airliner in flight.
Drones are notoriously stupid and lack an instinct to avoid collisions. Almost always in a war zone, their sole objective is to hit the intended target by surprise, not to warn innocent people of their presence.
The fact that the dead were all at the front of the plane near an oxygen tank that exploded and the survivors were distant from the explosion at the plane's rear, suggests that the Ukrainian drone that rammed the tail section of the plane destroying most of its directional control, sent shrapnel flying forward that caused a fire near the oxygen tank at the front of the plane. The oxygen tank then likely overheated and exploded, wrecking the plane.
If so, Russia's main fault here was ordering the damaged plane to divert elsewhere while damaged and on fire.
Ukraine's main fault was not to warn civilian airliners that they were planning a drone strike on some target at or near the Groznyy Airport.
A century ago people were still discussing a similar event, the German torpedo attack on the passenger liner Lusitania. They sank a civilian vessel without any warning, firing submerged where they could make no communications.
The Lusitania incident convinced many neutral nations that Germany's policy of unrestricted submarine warfare was intolerable and a war crime. It drove the pro-British faction in the US to influence Congress to enter the conflict by declaring war on Germany, as nobody in the pro-German faction here could think of a justifiable reason to drown civilians on a passenger ship by blowing holes in it with torpedoes and causing it to sink.
I anticipate Russia will delay announcing any charges against Ukraine until the FSB and military intelligence have film footage in place that absolutely proves a Ukrainian drone was attacking the Groznyy Airport and rammed the Baku-Groznyy airliner while trying to reach the airport and kill people on the ground.
Of course, just WTH made a civilian airport at Groznyy a legitimate military target is iffy. The fact that Ukraine is downplaying their admitted attack on a civilian airport where civilian workers and civilian passengers were endangered, and had done so without warning the civilians to leave,
Of course, just WTH made a civilian airport at Groznyy a legitimate military target is iffy. The fact that Ukraine is downplaying their admitted attack on a civilian airport where civilian workers and civilian passengers were endangered, and had done so without warning the civilians to leave, is the main question an. The attack sounds like an act of pure terrorism, killing people for the offense of being alive while in Russia and not to damage or destroy any legitimate military target that in any way threatened Ukraine.
Worse yet, the Ukrainian drone attacks on civilians in Groznyy raises questions of who is actually in command in Kyiv. Last year a group of terrorists from ISIS struck civilians attending a concert in Russia, and their escape plan took them through Ukraine to some Mideast destination. If ISIS could buy safe passage across Ukraine for an attack in oeiple attending a concert (eerily similar to the Iranian proxy attack on a concert in Israel in October 2023 that provoked the Gaza War), then the question this raises is whether the Ukrainian president, Zelenskyy, has control of his own government. If anybody with enough money can buy favors from Ukrainian commanders and no charges are ever brought, that comes very close to the Russian president, Putin's allegation that Nazis were in Ukraine and preparing an attack, forcwhich he ordered the invasion to begin. After sitting with President Putin and seeming to back the claim, Ukraine's chief rabbi left for Israel and publicly set the record straight, that he had no evidence of a Nazi army forming in Ukraine.
This puts both Berlin and London in an awkward spot, as well as Washington. All three governments have maintained that Ukraine can do no wrong and have launched attacks on Russia that were concealed as Ukrainian. It is awkward for us to accuse ISIS backers of the same crimes for which our own officials are guilty
Was anyone aboard opposed to Federal Banking Systems, Mossad antics, or about to spill the beans on the globe-homo pedo activities?
I want to know.
Honestly so true. It’s like a student copying us masters at this kind of operation.
Yes, from one of their playbooks.
Being an Occam's Razor kind of guy, "The Telegraph" story comes the closes to explaining why the pilots deliberately flew a damaged plane to an airport 45 minutes away and outside an active war zone.
The subject both the London-based Telegraph and the Ukrainian PR post ignored, is whether a Ukrainian drone on course to blow something up on the ground at Groznyy, accidentally rammed the airliner in flight.
Drones are notoriously stupid and lack an instinct to avoid collisions. Almost always in a war zone, their sole objective is to hit the intended target by surprise, not to warn innocent people of their presence.
The fact that the dead were all at the front of the plane near an oxygen tank that exploded and the survivors were distant from the explosion at the plane's rear, suggests that the Ukrainian drone that rammed the tail section of the plane destroying most of its directional control, sent shrapnel flying forward that caused a fire near the oxygen tank at the front of the plane. The oxygen tank then likely overheated and exploded, wrecking the plane.
If so, Russia's main fault here was ordering the damaged plane to divert elsewhere while damaged and on fire.
Ukraine's main fault was not to warn civilian airliners that they were planning a drone strike on some target at or near the Groznyy Airport.
A century ago people were still discussing a similar event, the German torpedo attack on the passenger liner Lusitania. They sank a civilian vessel without any warning, firing submerged where they could make no communications.
The Lusitania incident convinced many neutral nations that Germany's policy of unrestricted submarine warfare was intolerable and a war crime. It drove the pro-British faction in the US to influence Congress to enter the conflict by declaring war on Germany, as nobody in the pro-German faction here could think of a justifiable reason to drown civilians on a passenger ship by blowing holes in it with torpedoes and causing it to sink.
I anticipate Russia will delay announcing any charges against Ukraine until the FSB and military intelligence have film footage in place that absolutely proves a Ukrainian drone was attacking the Groznyy Airport and rammed the Baku-Groznyy airliner while trying to reach the airport and kill people on the ground.
Of course, just WTH made a civilian airport at Groznyy a legitimate military target is iffy. The fact that Ukraine is downplaying their admitted attack on a civilian airport where civilian workers and civilian passengers were endangered, and had done so without warning the civilians to leave,
The plot certainly thickens, thank you. Just terrible. Can't wait for this story to develop.
Of course, just WTH made a civilian airport at Groznyy a legitimate military target is iffy. The fact that Ukraine is downplaying their admitted attack on a civilian airport where civilian workers and civilian passengers were endangered, and had done so without warning the civilians to leave, is the main question an. The attack sounds like an act of pure terrorism, killing people for the offense of being alive while in Russia and not to damage or destroy any legitimate military target that in any way threatened Ukraine.
Worse yet, the Ukrainian drone attacks on civilians in Groznyy raises questions of who is actually in command in Kyiv. Last year a group of terrorists from ISIS struck civilians attending a concert in Russia, and their escape plan took them through Ukraine to some Mideast destination. If ISIS could buy safe passage across Ukraine for an attack in oeiple attending a concert (eerily similar to the Iranian proxy attack on a concert in Israel in October 2023 that provoked the Gaza War), then the question this raises is whether the Ukrainian president, Zelenskyy, has control of his own government. If anybody with enough money can buy favors from Ukrainian commanders and no charges are ever brought, that comes very close to the Russian president, Putin's allegation that Nazis were in Ukraine and preparing an attack, forcwhich he ordered the invasion to begin. After sitting with President Putin and seeming to back the claim, Ukraine's chief rabbi left for Israel and publicly set the record straight, that he had no evidence of a Nazi army forming in Ukraine.
This puts both Berlin and London in an awkward spot, as well as Washington. All three governments have maintained that Ukraine can do no wrong and have launched attacks on Russia that were concealed as Ukrainian. It is awkward for us to accuse ISIS backers of the same crimes for which our own officials are guilty
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It's a very sick world and America doesn't have clean hands.
The pilots were true heroes, and knew they had a slim to none chance of surviving. May God Bless them and their families.